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GeoGerard
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Scout
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 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:59 am Post subject: Re: Other excisting databases |
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Buxley's site ( http://www.brillig.com/geocaching/ ) does not list caches itself. It only provides maps to caches listed on other sites, for example gc.com and navicache.com. It's likely that when the opencaching database opens its doors, Buxley will begin to provide maps to caches listed there, too.
I don't know about the sites in Russia and Hungary, but, yes, someone should contact them about joining an opencaching project.
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hmarq
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Yes and no ...
Sure, the more the merrier node wise, yet at the same time the database is really only useful on a regional basis ... I don't really need to look at Russian caches, I'm not likely to hunt them and saying that "We have 40,000 caches" just rings hallow if none of them are in the area you live/search in. |
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Scout
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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| hmarq wrote: | | Sure, the more the merrier node wise, yet at the same time the database is really only useful on a regional basis |
But the services that will spring up around an opencaching database will have reuse benefit everywhere. For example, if someone in Russia writes a stats program for the opencaching database, the geocachers in Hungary will probably be able to benefit as well.
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nici-
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:02 pm Post subject: Re: Other excisting databases |
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| Scout wrote: | | I don't know about the sites in Russia and Hungary, but, yes, someone should contact them about joining an opencaching project. |
I don't know about the russian (shame on me) but the hungarian did their own database from start on. I pointed Renegade Mark to it (and the other european sites) and he did contact them. To what avail I don't know.
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hmarq
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Scout wrote: | | hmarq wrote: | | Sure, the more the merrier node wise, yet at the same time the database is really only useful on a regional basis |
But the services that will spring up around an opencaching database will have reuse benefit everywhere. For example, if someone in Russia writes a stats program for the opencaching database, the geocachers in Hungary will probably be able to benefit as well. |
Again, yes and no ... if the Russian guy writes it and doesn't have an English page it's not much use to me ... and vise versa what I write for him.
The bigger the network the better ... but there are some limits to usefulness ... |
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Scout
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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| hmarq wrote: | | Again, yes and no ... if the Russian guy writes it and doesn't have an English page it's not much use to me ... and vise versa what I write for him. |
The core of value will be in the code, not the veneer of the Web page. And even if the code is written with Russian sounding variable names, it'll be reusable on another opencaching node. The opencaching project should be thinking of sharing more than just cache listings if it really wants to accelerate progress by bringing more workers to bear on the problem.
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Renegade Knight
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I did contact Geocaching.ru, I'm not 100% sure that I contacted Geocaching.hu
Nobody responded though. |
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GeoGerard
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I do not agree.
Opencaching is for everyone, so everyone should be involved.
The webmaster of geocaching.ru can help you with setting up a databasae and network.
Buxley can give you the data of all GC.com NC.com en geocachingworldwide.com caches and yes Buxleys database can be connected to the opencaching network, so both networks can update each other. There is nothing wrong with that.
Connecting all networks will be beneficial to all...
Language should not be a problem, check out this LINK!!!
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Renegade Knight
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Nice Link. I had trouble finding a good way to do that.
There are a lot of translation pages but not a lot of good ones.
Thanks. |
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hmarq
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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| GeoGerard wrote: | I do not agree.
Opencaching is for everyone, so everyone should be involved.
The webmaster of geocaching.ru can help you with setting up a databasae and network.
Buxley can give you the data of all GC.com NC.com en geocachingworldwide.com caches and yes Buxleys database can be connected to the opencaching network, so both networks can update each other. There is nothing wrong with that.
Connecting all networks will be beneficial to all...
Language should not be a problem, check out this LINK!!! |
I would have to call data from Buxley 'poisoned' as clearly it's derived by non-sanctioned (but permitted on a wink) basis. I think it really needs to be an all or nothing thing with repsect to participation in the network ...
Each database pretty much stands alone and can be developed however the designer sees fit, it's the protocols and data exchange spec that needs to be consistent. And that plays into the code sharing thing as well, I have no problem giving folks the code of the site to use, but if they're on a MS server using ASP it's really only good for educational value, not production ...
Like I said, I'm not against this, I'm just saying there are some practical bounds on usefulness, that's all. |
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cezanne
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| GeoGerard wrote: |
Language should not be a problem, check out this LINK!!! |
I have not checked the result for this specific web page and I also do not read Russian. I do know, however, that typically the result of Babelfish is very poor and just helps to have a good laugh. Moreover, most language pairs are not avaible (for example, there does not exist a single one involving Hungarian). Automatic translation might help to understand the interface of the data base, but will not help for most of the caches.
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 11:25 am Post subject: |
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A completely skinable site will solve the problem with language.
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Renegade Knight
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 12:49 pm Post subject: |
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| CoyoteRed wrote: | A completely skinable site will solve the problem with language.
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Excellent Idea! |
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cezanne
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2003 3:06 pm Post subject: |
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| CoyoteRed wrote: | A completely skinable site will solve the problem with language.
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How shall this work? I cannot imagine it. It seems you are talking about the language of the interface of the system which is not the main issue. In non-English speaking countries, the main issue would be to encourage as many cachers as possible to provide an English version along with the version in their native language.
It seems to me that providing interfaces in several languages is something that typically will happen rather automatically if there is a need for it. On the contrary, it needs active encouragement to increase the degree of availability of English cache data/information.
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