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Virtues and pitfalls of multi-listing your cache.

 
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CoyoteRed



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 8:27 am    Post subject: Virtues and pitfalls of multi-listing your cache. Reply with quote

Besides the obvious multiple submissions and editing of cache discriptions, the amount of work is multiplied by the number sites listed, what are some other pitfalls of multi-listing your caches?

If the problem of remembering to archive/modify/check your caches on all the places you've listed you cache, would there be a problem?

Is there a way to remotely edit gc.com edit-your-cache page?

Might become an issue once this takes off and people start clammering for an easy way to modify their pages.

Or Irish accepts the opencaching TOS and that's not likely to happen.

Although...

If opencaching takes off, accepting OC TOS could be a way for him to keep his customers on his site! He would then have to stay ahead of the game with services--which isn't a bad thing.

Wink

Just thinking out loud...

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 9:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

2nd post on the board

The site gets built and succeeds

-OR-

Others (gc in particular) get more open

Those were my 'success' criteria. I guess I'd expand that to having feature completeness and competition too, making all sites better.

As for the difficulty of maintaining multiple sites. I suspect that is really an issue for very few people ... going out on a limb, I'd say that less than 1% of gc.com's users have *placed* more than 10 caches. For that 1% I can see it being a major pain in the arse ... but for them perhaps the answer is *not* cross posting, but instead posting some on each site with no cross posting. For everybody else I could see it being a small inconvenience but not a deal breaker.

I don't think you'll see remote editing of gc.com caches, nor do I see gc.com being 'offsite' listed ... as to do that, like navicache, I'd need enough data to do search listings ... to do that I'd either need the data directly (not likely to happen) or they'd have to loosen the terms on pocket queries (again, not likely) ...

A final though on the 'offsite' type. It was originally conceived to support the geotag thing that you and I have talked about quite a bit, not really support non-opencaching site imports ... I kinda kludged it to work for navicache and even then it didn't work too well from a tos perspective. If we find some way to take files, from other sites legitimately I think those caches would become native opencaching caches that just happen to be cross posted with one of the commercial sites, not an offsite cache.
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CoyoteRed



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think I got off track mentally from what I was wondering originally.

To put it short, I think if this is take off, people need a way to easily get their caches into the system, even existing ones.

My experiences entering my caches at nv.com is IT'S A CHORE!

Familiar, easy, and seamless is probably the most important issues in getting the db populated.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CoyoteRed wrote:
To put it short, I think if this is take off, people need a way to easily get their caches into the system, even existing ones.


I've hoped someone would produce a simple utility that players could download and run. The utility would take the name of a cache and automatically go out to a Web site where the cache is listed, download the cache location and description, then upload the same information to another Web site. If the utility is run by the person who owns the cache, I don't see a problem with TOS on any site.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's an excellent idea.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 05, 2003 3:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scout wrote:
to another Web site. If the utility is run by the person who owns the cache, I don't see a problem with TOS on any site.


Yupp - see http://www.opencaching.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=178

I even think, someone started on making a tool. But never heard of it since a couple of weeks ;-(

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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 4:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about the reverse? If someone posts a new cache through OC, will GC be actively seeking out this info and automatically list the cache on their site? Will OC allow this?
Just a question I had.
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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2003 5:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TEAM 360 wrote:
What about the reverse? If someone posts a new cache through OC, will GC be actively seeking out this info and automatically list the cache on their site? Will OC allow this?
Just a question I had.


I'm confident that gc.com will not gather cache information from the opencaching database. For one, they don't have to. They have more customers than they can adequately service now. For another, the opencaching license should require them to open their own database if they add anything from the opencaching database to their own. That's the last thing gc.com wants.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 7:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Virtues and pitfalls of multi-listing your cache. Reply with quote

CoyoteRed wrote:
Besides the obvious multiple submissions and editing of cache discriptions, the amount of work is multiplied by the number sites listed, what are some other pitfalls of multi-listing your caches?
CR


One of the pitfalls are services like Buxley's site. The number of caches per country given there are typically wrong even now. He is counting caches that are available at gc.com and nc.com (under the same name and with the same coordinates) twice.
Any further system would make the situation in this regard even worse.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 11, 2003 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Virtues and pitfalls of multi-listing your cache. Reply with quote

cezanne wrote:
Any further system would make the situation in this regard even worse.


Then maybe gc.com and nc.com will join the opencaching system, so sites like Buxley's only have to pull from one database to get all the caches. ;-)
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