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hmarq
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 Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 4:03 pm Post subject: Where have all the caches gone? |
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They've been made unavailable. I'm not sure what Navicache wants shared, republished, etc. and what they don't anymore; and regardless of the answer there, they haven't really communicated what they share with their users.
So now there is 1 cache available; mine, which I suspect I have permission to use since it's my data. It's still in the navicache format in that it shows as an offsite type and links back there for a description. Do a search on zip 60559 or any in the Chicago area and you'll find it ... you won't find anything else at the moment.
Don't get me wrong, no sour grapes here ... they can do what they like, but they do seem to be less open than they might appear to a casual read. Having the data up for a couple weeks did serve it's purpose in leting folks test the search page, that was helpful. |
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Woodbutcher68
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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I put in my zip and got 17 pages, from 12.8 miles to 499.9 miles away. I put in your zip, 60559 and got 16 pages.
Maybe they don't like your competition!
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hmarq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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Well you could until a couple hours ago anyway 
Honestly, the NV guys never specifically asked me to stop. However, that said, they have been hinting at tightening the reigns, and my emails back and forth with them didn't jibe with what their lisence actually said. Then today I started getting emails from NV end users ... another story, likely not involving the NV guys, but rather troublemakers in general that like to stir the pot.
In the end, it's not worth the hassle, you either share your data *and* your users buy into that, or you don't .... today, I believe the winds at NV are blowing toward the don't side.
Doesn't have anything to do with competition really; at least I don't think so, not in this case. |
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PC Medic
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 7:06 pm Post subject: Re: Where have all the caches gone? |
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| hmarq wrote: | | They've been made unavailable. I'm not sure what Navicache wants shared, republished, etc. and what they don't anymore; and regardless of the answer there, they haven't really communicated what they share with their users. |
I find this statement disturbing due to the fact that it creates an impression that you have not been in communication with us, or been informed of what acceptable use of the data was. As you know this is quite incorrect. In fact there is a TOU contained within the datafile you receive, as well as the email communication we had which plainly described the acceptable use and to which you responded that you understood and had no problem with.
On a further note I have sent you notice regarding this which you should have received by now. I would have sent it last night but was not near my home PC which contained your email and you list no "contact" info here on your site. |
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hmarq
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm moving on now. I don't think I've given the impression of no communication, though I don't quote it as I think that rude of private correspondence. I did say I thought I could live within the terms ... apparently we have different definitions; so we part ways. Of course, NV will be welcome to a feed of our data. |
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| Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2003 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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| hmarq wrote: | | Of course, NV will be welcome to a feed of our data. |
... So long as their copy of the data remains under the same terms and conditions as the original.
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CoyoteRed
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 9:48 am Post subject: |
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You want a copy of the GPX file I get from gc.com that contains only my caches? Would that make it easier for you to populate the list?
CR
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hmarq
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| CoyoteRed wrote: | You want a copy of the GPX file I get from gc.com that contains only my caches? Would that make it easier for you to populate the list?
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I'm afraid that's a slippery slope that I'm not sure I want to be on. The NV guys and I had and honest disagreement that's now resolved; GC on the other hand is outright hostile about the use of their extract files to populate other sites under any terms and I don't want to give them *any* reason to send a legal nastygram that I have to deal with ... that's time and money.
Yes, I know it's your data, yet at the same time their license is very restrictive even under circumstances dealing with your data.
Could I read it if you sent it, sure ... I just don't think it's a good idea. |
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Scout
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| hmarq wrote: | | Could I read it if you sent it, sure ... I just don't think it's a good idea. |
I think what would work is some kind of screenscraper application that geocachers can install and run themselves that gets their own data off gc.com and submits the same content to other geocaching Web sites.
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CoyoteRed
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No problem. I understand. It's funny that gc.com is saying that I submit my data they can do with it whatever they want, but if they send my data back to me, I can only use it for non-commercial, personal reasons.
Funny how that works out.
However, I've thought of that and somewhere around here I have a GPX file that has been spun through Spinner using hand coded GPX files of my cache data. Granted, the descriptions and such were copy-and-pasted from the submit a cache page, but I put it there to begin with.
I can send you a GPX file that is not derived from a PQ, thus bypassing gc.com's TOx
You want that?
CR
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hmarq
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| Scout wrote: | | hmarq wrote: | | Could I read it if you sent it, sure ... I just don't think it's a good idea. |
I think what would work is some kind of screenscraper application that geocachers can install and run themselves that gets their own data off gc.com and submits the same content to other geocaching Web sites. |
I think tc-rick's tools do that ... the scraping part anyway and I believe they output in a tab delimited format if you want, that might be something to work with. |
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hmarq
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| Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 10:53 am Post subject: |
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| CoyoteRed wrote: | No problem. I understand. It's funny that gc.com is saying that I submit my data they can do with it whatever they want, but if they send my data back to me, I can only use it for non-commercial, personal reasons.
Funny how that works out.
However, I've thought of that and somewhere around here I have a GPX file that has been spun through Spinner using hand coded GPX files of my cache data. Granted, the descriptions and such were copy-and-pasted from the submit a cache page, but I put it there to begin with.
I can send you a GPX file that is not derived from a PQ, thus bypassing gc.com's TOx
You want that?
CR |
A nonPQ derived GPX file would be a good start I suppose, though if it's got groundspeak extensions we might be in the same pickle ... and a generic GPX file doesn't have quite enough info in it for a cache listing (I *think* ... haven't looked at the GPX spec in a while).
At the end of the day, I just need to get the user registration and submit a cache pages done ... then folks can start adding. |
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CoyoteRed
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:32 am Post subject: |
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Okay, it's not pretty, but it's online. Hopefully it's complete enough to work with...
MY CACHE LIST
The list contains all gc.com listed caches as I haven't placed any private label yet. As mentioned in another post, the UCID for the ones listed on gc.com are the GCxxxx ID. When I actually get my private labels out, they will have the MD5 ID.
Let me know how this works for you!
CR
PS: Yes, I know it's pretty nasty looking. The important thing right now is the META tags to be crawled.
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CoyoteRed
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I don't know if this has been discussed, but as you see I'm thinking that I submit a list of my caches, not the individual caches themselves. That would easier on the hider and hopefully not to much more work for you programer types.
One issue though, when parsing the page, would it be eaiser to look for links like "geocacheXXXXX.htm"?
That way, you're not following links that mean nothing to the spider.
Say the word and I'll redo the list. It's nothing to redo as it's pretty automated with Spinner.
CR
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CoyoteRed
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:48 am Post subject: |
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If anyone is interested, HERE the files I used with Spinner to create the list.
Install Spinner, extract the files in the above zip to the proper places (keeping directory structure), and run while pointing to extra .INI file.
CR
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