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Renegade Knight
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 Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 12:09 am Post subject: Landowner Liaison |
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We need people willing to be part of a small team to talk to landowners and come up with a working list of their needs and concerns. This will be used to help set the direction of opencaching. One of our goals is to develop credibility with the landowners so that they will see opencaching as a resource and partner when it comes to geocaching.
If you are interested please contact me directly, especially if you are a land manager/geocacher. I’ll be away from email for a few days so I may not be able to respond until later in the week.
If you don't want to be part of the team but have worked with landowners then post your experienc on their concerns in this thread. Thanks! |
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amnesius
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 3:04 am Post subject: |
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I think we should think about some ways to contact opencaching when a problem comes up with a particular cache. as far as i know theres no specific landowner contact at gc.com
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| amnesius wrote: | | I think we should think about some ways to contact opencaching when a problem comes up with a particular cache. |
Why not by having finders suggest their own values for all the attributes a cache that the hider supplied when he listed the cache (e.g., difficulty, terrain, etc., and also, dangerous, possibly illegal, plundered, contraband, etc.)?
Someone can write a program to monitor the logs for any new reports of things that should be looked into. Volunteers will investigate.
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welch
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| Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2003 3:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Scout wrote: | | amnesius wrote: | | I think we should think about some ways to contact opencaching when a problem comes up with a particular cache. |
Why not by having finders suggest their own values for all the attributes a cache that the hider supplied when he listed the cache (e.g., difficulty, terrain, etc., and also, dangerous, possibly illegal, plundered, contraband, etc.)?
Someone can write a program to monitor the logs for any new reports of things that should be looked into. Volunteers will investigate. |
Uh  what will the volunteers investigate?
(physically visit the cache or like review posted logs to suggest it be archived/disabled?)
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| Posted: Mon Oct 06, 2003 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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| welch wrote: | Uh :?: what will the volunteers investigate?
(physically visit the cache or like review posted logs to suggest it be archived/disabled?) |
When a person hides a cache, he gives it a terrain rating, a difficulty rating, he might indicate whether it's family-friendly, or on public land, or whatever.
Everyone who hunts that cache can provide his own interpretation to those attributes. Everyone. We're all *investigators.* It happens in the normal course of playing this game.
When you review a list of caches, you can see what everyone else thought of it. Maybe you'll filter out those caches where a majority of hunters said it wasn't family-friendly. Or maybe you don't want to take any chances and will filter out those caches where any single person said he thought it wasn't family-friendly. It's up to you, not some approver in who-knows-where making your decisions for you.
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Renegade Knight
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| Posted: Sat Oct 18, 2003 3:22 pm Post subject: |
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We still need people to help with this effort. Anyone interested please email me. Thanks.
For those wondering, here is why the landmanger issue is important.
http://www.nwi.org/Maps/GovLands.html |
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welch
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Renegade Knight wrote: | We still need people to help with this effort. Anyone interested please email me. Thanks.
For those wondering, here is why the landmanger issue is important.
http://www.nwi.org/Maps/GovLands.html |
Interesting map, is there any way to zoom in? Im trying to figure out what some of the smaller specks are... 
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hmarq
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2003 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Renegade Knight wrote: | We still need people to help with this effort. Anyone interested please email me. Thanks.
For those wondering, here is why the landmanger issue is important.
http://www.nwi.org/Maps/GovLands.html |
Hmm, that is an interesting map ... I can certainly see why it's an issue in the western US ... just the same as I can see why no one in the Midwest really seems to care ... |
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welch
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2003 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| hmarq wrote: | | Renegade Knight wrote: | We still need people to help with this effort. Anyone interested please email me. Thanks.
For those wondering, here is why the landmanger issue is important.
http://www.nwi.org/Maps/GovLands.html |
Hmm, that is an interesting map ... I can certainly see why it's an issue in the western US ... just the same as I can see why no one in the Midwest really seems to care ... |
Hey now  ,
I care... just not as much.... 
AFAIK in Iowa there are no National Forests or Parks. But there is one Monument (Effigy Mounds), and I think Desoto Lake was a National something(Refudge?).
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welch
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| welch wrote: | | hmarq wrote: | | Renegade Knight wrote: | We still need people to help with this effort. Anyone interested please email me. Thanks.
For those wondering, here is why the landmanger issue is important.
http://www.nwi.org/Maps/GovLands.html |
Hmm, that is an interesting map ... I can certainly see why it's an issue in the western US ... just the same as I can see why no one in the Midwest really seems to care ... |
Hey now ,
I care... just not as much....
AFAIK in Iowa there are no National Forests or Parks. But there is one Monument (Effigy Mounds), and I think Desoto Lake was a National something(Refudge?). |
Just want to clearify, when I say "I don't care much", Im referring to Federal land. There is a realatively small amount in my area, so the exact rules of those areas don't directly affect me. The larger issue is itself very important, and I do care.
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Renegade Knight
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2003 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't know of a way to zoom in. The map is mostly Federal Lands. Cities and county parks would outnumber completely the quantity federal land locations. |
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nici-
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 6:24 am Post subject: |
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Hi!
| Renegade Knight wrote: | | I don't know of a way to zoom in. The map is mostly Federal Lands. Cities and county parks would outnumber completely the quantity federal land locations. |
I googled a bit to find something similar for Germany but to no avail ;-( Anyway, I found a chart that shows the situation for Europe. It reads as follows:
- It shows the ownership of the woods only
- blue: governmental, red: privat, green: property of public corporations or other
So the situation in Europe differs from state to state. In fact in Germany more than a third of the woods is in private hands. Actually I've never ever felt like on privat land on any of my tours. So I guess, landowners don't care if people use their property for recreational purpose as long as they woods aren't disturbed in a way, that endangers them. I really don't _know_, I've never had contact with an owner of woods!
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Renegade Knight
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2003 9:47 am Post subject: |
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| Interesting chart. To tell you the truth I actually expected less government land in Western Europe. Thanks, that helps. |
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